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Old June 19th, 2005, 02:32 PM
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F1:USA huh?

ok, i cannot believe this is happening, it is laughable. Professional my arse ths is a load of kids running this i can't believe my eyes


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sad isn't it? Ok, we have this Michelin tyre problem, but we can live with that. The frustrating thing about this is the USA justice system. Those teams and michelin etc. are just too scared drivers and other people will go to court when something happens (e.g. accident). This justice stuff in USA is very unique. Luckily we don't have it in that degree here in Europe! Thats one of the reasons i prefer Europe above USA.
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sad isn't it? Ok, we have this Michelin tyre problem, but we can live with that. The frustrating thing about this is the USA justice system. Those teams and michelin etc. are just too scared drivers and other people will go to court when something happens (e.g. accident). This justice stuff in USA is very unique. Luckily we don't have it in that degree here in Europe! Thats one of the reasons i prefer Europe above USA.
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i agree, very sad, although not sure how the us justice system affects all this..

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Nah, I don't think it was anything to do with th Justice System.
Or really anything to do with the US at all. It would have been
the same had it happened at Silverstone or wherever. Michelin
said the tyres were unsafe to race, full stop. That's all there is
to it.

Now had they built a chicane on turn13, Michelin have said that
the tyres would have been fine for the race, but it was the FIA
who decided not to allow the track to be changed [rightly so],
so again, nothing to do with the US.

It was purely a safety thing. If a trye exploded at 200mph in the
middle of a pack, multiple cars would have crashed, and there is
no telling what would have happened to the drivers.

On top of that, if a piece of the cars broke off when hitting the
wall and flew into the crowd it would most certainly have killed
someone, and the teams would have been liable cos they knew
the cars weren't safe.

Yeah, I agree it sucks, but thb, I can't see how they could have
done it differently...
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Old June 19th, 2005, 05:17 PM
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I doubt about that. Can't be a coincidence that it happend there and not somewere in Europe.
I agree, changing a track because one of the tirecompanies has problems is not a valid reason to rebuild the track. Michelin has a problem. The track is fine.

Maybe in a few years they are going to adapt the drivers to the track..then maybe a chance is created for me to drive such machine LOL

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ow and 1 thing left...this tyre disaster of whole F1 2005 season is getting me tired..

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ow and 1 thing left...this tyre disaster of whole F1 2005 season is getting me tired..


oh dear.

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Nah, I don't think it was anything to do with th Justice System.
Or really anything to do with the US at all. It would have been
the same had it happened at Silverstone or wherever. Michelin
said the tyres were unsafe to race, full stop. That's all there is
to it.

Now had they built a chicane on turn13, Michelin have said that
the tyres would have been fine for the race, but it was the FIA
who decided not to allow the track to be changed [rightly so],
so again, nothing to do with the US.

It was purely a safety thing. If a trye exploded at 200mph in the
middle of a pack, multiple cars would have crashed, and there is
no telling what would have happened to the drivers.

On top of that, if a piece of the cars broke off when hitting the
wall and flew into the crowd it would most certainly have killed
someone, and the teams would have been liable cos they knew
the cars weren't safe.

Yeah, I agree it sucks, but thb, I can't see how they could have
done it differently...



imo they should have allowed michelen to fly new tires over from france and let the teams use those. I know not something that should be normally done but in the interest of safety, racing, sportsmanship and for the fans this decision should have been made by the fia.

just my opinion

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imo they should have allowed michelen to fly new tires over from france and let the teams use those. I know not something that should be normally done but in the interest of safety, racing, sportsmanship and for the fans this decision should have been made by the fia.
Why? They didn't allow Ferrari to get new tyres brought in for the
Spanish Grand Prix when their tyres were knackered.
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I doubt about that. Can't be a coincidence that it happend there and not somewere in Europe.

There was no coincidence, Michelin just brought the wrong tyres
to the race. They could easily have done that in europe too. [eg
Bridgestone at Barcelona]
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I agree, changing a track because one of the tirecompanies has problems is not a valid reason to rebuild the track. Michelin has a problem. The track is fine.
Actually, There had been changes made to the track as the Indy
cars were struggling for grip, so the cut grooves into the tarmac
that allowed for more grip in the less aerodynamic indycars. Now,
Bridgestone has a sister company called Firestone who provide
many [all? I dunno, I don't follow the sport] of the tyres for the
indycars, and as there was a race there last week, or the week
before, Firestone had info on the way the rubber reacted that
they passed onto big bro Bridgestone, giving them an advantage
as they had more accurate data on the way the tyres would
perform.

That is all beside the point; it went on before the raceweekend.
But still, no, they shouldn't have to change the track layout for
michelin dirvers, it's their own fault.

That said, they shouldn't have let the other 6 drivers race either.
It was pointless, and did nothing but tarnish the sport.

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Why? They didn't allow Ferrari to get new tyres brought in for the
Spanish Grand Prix when their tyres were knackered.

i don't remember the circumstances there but knackered and faulty are different. The teams and fans seemed to suffer due to michalens fault, not really sure why this is fair but as i said my opinion!!

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Yup, like I said, it sucks. Racing 6 cars today was just taking the
piss out of everyone that paid stupid amount of money for tickets.

<pedantic>
Back to the Barcelona thing, it boils down to the same thing as the
michelin fiasco: in neither case was the tyre actually faulty, it was
just the wrong one for the job, and in both cases declared unsafe
by the manufacturer.

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