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Old May 26th, 2005, 05:58 AM
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you don't want to be lumbered with somebody who only knows/still uses HTML2 tags
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If I've posted some code above, you might think it looks a bit simplistic. It might be. I'd rather people tried the next step themselves rather than getting a full solution on a plate. That way they learn more!

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I'm sure you're not <font="comic sans"><size="14px"><b><u> that </u></b></size></font> bad

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Old May 26th, 2005, 06:06 AM
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Nope - but my last developer was! He left and we did not replace him. Now I find entire sites done without CSS!

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That's painful - nothing worse than having to sift though a site page by page and convert it to CSS. hmmmm, could be a market opening up for exactly that kind of service!

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Just a quick thing to point out:

I've done quite a bit of html /in the past/ but even when I was using it 2 or 3 times a week, I still didn't have detailed tags memorized, but knew the basics by heart, and had a site bookmarked for the rest (I would know what I wanted to use, but not always the tag or parameter names). A 'test' rather than an interview might hurt someone who designs the same way.

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Just a quick thing to point out:

I've done quite a bit of html /in the past/ but even when I was using it 2 or 3 times a week, I still didn't have detailed tags memorized, but knew the basics by heart, and had a site bookmarked for the rest (I would know what I wanted to use, but not always the tag or parameter names). A 'test' rather than an interview might hurt someone who designs the same way.

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It's a fairly basic test (I've finished the first version) and with the multiple-choice questions it would take you 2 minutes to complete. I just want to use it to decide that people have genuinely written HTML and/or ASP in the past

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Just a quick thing to point out:

I've done quite a bit of html /in the past/ but even when I was using it 2 or 3 times a week, I still didn't have detailed tags memorized, but knew the basics by heart, and had a site bookmarked for the rest (I would know what I wanted to use, but not always the tag or parameter names). A 'test' rather than an interview might hurt someone who designs the same way.

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I am with selwonk, I agree that a small test is needed, it is to easy in an interviewfor people to say I have done this i have done that, when infact that person as not, this was discussed in another thread, I think it is escential to offer a test, as part of the interview, as this should give a clearer picture of that persons understanding of html, even if you couldn't write something like:

Code:
<table width="100%" border="0">
  <tr>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
    <td>&nbsp;</td>
  </tr>
</table>


off by heart, you should at least be able to say that that is a table with two columns and two rows, that is fairly basic stuff. and unless you want to teach people the basics before you start, then they should know it.

Thats my two pence worth, hope that helps sorry if it doesn't
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As long as the test doesn't get too complex I have no problem with it, and there is a basic 'minimum' level of information people in the industry should have memorized.

But i've also seen people go overboard and test on things like describe how the TCP/IP protocol finds the server it's looking for, and other things not relevant to the subject of the job.

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Old May 26th, 2005, 11:33 AM
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As long as the test doesn't get too complex I have no problem with it, and there is a basic 'minimum' level of information people in the industry should have memorized.

But i've also seen people go overboard and test on things like describe how the TCP/IP protocol finds the server it's looking for, and other things not relevant to the subject of the job.

-MBirchmeier


Yep I agree, but is the questions are mainly multiple choice as suggested, then all you need is an understanding, without memorizing code you should be able to explain what it does, that doesn't mean you have to be able to write it off the top off your head. But i do think there should be an element of more complex stuff maybe CCS, or xhtml, this will allow greater flexibilty, and let peopel that do know a little extra, display there learning, but I don't think its the test is the main reference for employment, it is simply a tool used to evaluate someones potential, getting things wrong should not be a bad thing, it should just show where that person needs some focus.

As for putting stuff about TCP/IP and equvalent questions, in a HTML test now that would be harsh, even for someone experienced in web design that would be harsh lol

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Old May 26th, 2005, 01:07 PM
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Thanks for all the input. This is a very rudimentary test, but this thread might prove very useful in the future...

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yep, it is interesting to see other peoples views, might be interesting after you have done all the hard work of putting the test together, you could post it here for future reference.

But i understand if you don't

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A test is a great idea. If I was hiring a designer, I'd want to know they weren't just some WYSIWYG hack. I work with sseveral and I am always having to fix their code. It seems that lots of people that call themselvers web designers didn't get the memo about efficiency and conservation in markup.

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What do you mean "too many images"?What's wrong with it? It looks like you wanted, what's the deal? I've even made the menu in Flash! Flash is so hot right now.
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Ok - I've posted the quiz here:

http://www.mike-knowles.com/aspfree...html%20quiz.pdf

The quiz is currently very basic - this suits the current audience

Thanks again folks!

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