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Old May 26th, 2005, 12:05 AM
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As far as NTFS, besides being rock-solid, among other things NTFS has built-in granular permissions using ACL's, which is something tacked on to *nix filesystems.
I really don't want to seem like a troll, but you are gravely mistaken in this regard (at least if referring to GNU/Linux). The main Linux filesystems (Ext2, Ext3, ReiserFS, IBM's JFS, and SGI's XFS) all have optional POSIX extended ACL support which gives you similar fine-grained control as NTFS has. Some of these controls can be implemented using various user/group differentiations.

EDIT: Nevermind I misunderstood you. You said "tacked on" like an extension to the filesystem, and I thought you said "lacked on" as if they didn't support it. Ignore me.
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such an informative thread.
but pity me ........ i didnt understand most of it.
but carry on guys..... atleast somebody else will understand!
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Yup, the only thing I really understand is the word NTFS
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hmmm........ NTFS!!!
heard of it...... cud u explain me what is it or any link where i can read abt it!!

but personally i wud prefer Windows XP for me.
i have used Linux..... man i got lost in that .
i cannot use anything than Windows .

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hmmm........ NTFS!!!
heard of it...... cud u explain me what is it or any link where i can read abt it!!

but personally i wud prefer Windows XP for me.
i have used Linux..... man i got lost in that .
i cannot use anything than Windows .

You can install XP on fat32, but I believe by default it should format the disks to NTFS. So your probably using it right now.

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You can install XP on fat32, but I believe by default it should format the disks to NTFS. So your probably using it right now.


This is true with Win2000, i'd imagine the same is true with XP.

This threw me for a bit of a loop the first time I tried to run 2000 off of a DOS boot disk.

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right now my pc desktop is runnign XP on a fat32 formatted drive - what is the advantage of going ntfs with this partition?

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right now my pc desktop is runnign XP on a fat32 formatted drive - what is the advantage of going ntfs with this partition?
NTFS will likely decrease your filesystem's fragmentation as well as giving you true permissions capabilites (who can read/write/edit/create files/create directories/traverse directorys/etc.) Also, NTFS (according to WikiPedia) is does metatdata journalling, which mean your filesystem is much less likely to become corrupt on unclean shutdowns or other problems. However if you are dual-booting with Linux and you like being able to access your Windows partition/drive, then stay with FAT32, since it's the only filesystem fully and safely read/write capable under both Windows and Linux. With Linux you have full and safe NTFS read support, but write support is near non-existent. (As I recall there's a project called Captive which merely wrapped around a Windows ntfs.sys driver for full R/W capabilities, but I think that's no longer in development...)
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However if you are dual-booting with Linux and you like being able to access your Windows partition/drive, then stay with FAT32, since it's the only filesystem fully and safely read/write capable under both Windows and Linux. With Linux you have full and safe NTFS read support, but write support is near non-existent. (As I recall there's a project called Captive which merely wrapped around a Windows ntfs.sys driver for full R/W capabilities, but I think that's no longer in development...)


This is true, I think the project died, additionally the permissioning system only seemed to work with windows OS's load up a linux and you had full read no matter what the permissions were.

Additionally I believe the NTFS filestructure was bigger than that of FAT32, but I'm not certain. But its too small of a difference to really make a difference in storage sizes.

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Thanks guys. I'm having some performance issues with my desktop right now and thought the FAT32 formatted C: drive may have been part of the problem. God I wish I could just own Macs and didn't need to test sh!t in IE for PC. Unpredictable performance downgrades. Guess I'll just wrap and wipe again.

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