Modern IDE's

Is it just me or are modern IDE's a pain in the arse?

I wrote an entire mini-app - a few ASP forms and a couple of VB classes - for an interview I had (I didn't get the job). I used TextPad for the ASP code and VB 6.0 for the classes.

Now I have just started the same project in ASP.NET. It presents me with a view which I don't won't. The entrance for the app is controller.asp - this has no html code what so ever - it pulls in the html from other asp pages and then the meat is handled in yet more ASP pages which pass the data off to a COM class. Nope. .NET is your friend. .NET knows better. You will have a form and you will have crap html in it (can I please use change the tags? I don't like capitals for my html).

When I had a job I needed to create a web interface for the project management system. I tried using NetBeans (3.6) and found it very hard to work with. So hard in fact that I gave up and went back to TextPad. I don't develop the way they want to so it is practically impossible to make headway.

An IDE is supposed to be liberating - not a straight jacket. What is happening with IDE's these days?

Just my 2p (I'm English).

Just noticed that VS.NET decides that it will save your Web Projects to "C:\Documents and ..." and you can't change it. Why can't I save to "D:\" which is where 99.9% of my previous development is performed, and when I finally get a new gfx card (new job pending) and format C, what will happen then? I haven't yet checked it in to VSS - it'll be amusing to see what that thinks of everything.

you're just seeing the Empty Part of the Glass... dunno about others but Visual Studio .NET is very good. can't say perfect, it has its own bugs here and there but generally speaking, it's great improvement compared to its ancestors. indeed, it would save its internal files in one place that you can't change but you can define where you want your own source code.

I have to agree that Visual Studio .NET is great for C++ (C# needs a bit of improvement) development, and the amount of plugins is superb, but it feels a lot more constrictive than version 6.

[OT] Isn't slightly hypocritical to have an entire site about ASP being powered by PHP?

lol
you're the 1000th to ask this... the official answer is quite simple: this forum is part of big web empire (devshed) which run on unix machines thus php is the natural choice.

yeah, but wouldn't it be nice if they had syntax highlighting for more then just php code sections? I think so.

As for them running on Unix and PHP being the natural choice... maybe, but there is an apache module that has brought ASP to linux... and come to that mono just brought ASP.NET, so they just (rightly) figured that if they re-skinned the old one no one would care. If I was them, I would have faked the file names though so people thought they were getting ASP (just get the webserver to treat .asp files as files run by PHP, it doesn't care)

On the IDE topic... I think VS.NET is miles ahead of the old VS IDE, but the fact that it won't let me install the web component for ASP.NET just cause I don't have IIS, even if I'm running another .NET compatible web server... ug! that bothers me (appearntly it's fixed in the next iteration)

As for Netbeans... just about everyone I've talked to prefers Eclipse or JBuilder (both free as well) though I haven't tried them. I don't mind NetBeans... but it can be a pain for jsp or RMI (remote method invocation) applications.

-mwalts

Not one that will run any vbscript asp code, which is maybe 98.34% of all server-side asp.

SunOne (ChiliSoft) is the only *nix asp emulator that provides a pretty complete IIS-like emulation, but even then many server components used in IIS based asp apps won't work.

Personally, since how a forum works is up to an application designer, not the technology it runs on, I don't care if the server is an asp or php based server. I'm just happy it's not a vulnerable version of phpBB

lol!! so you're aware of that ah? my nephew is... using... this vulnerability to his own purpose, let's just say that he could take over some government server if he wanted just because they're using phpBB forum. but he was decent enough to send them warning and now it's up to them to install the patch or switch to safer forum.

Yes, I heard about the worm a couple days ago. Yesterday, my ISP sent a warning email around to all their customers.

oh my god.... they have pretty late ignition. this exploit is used by hackers for so much time (at least couple of weeks). we should indeed thank God this forum is not phpBB version!

What are you talking about? The santy worm was detected on December 21st 2004.

well, he told me about it couple of weeks ago - maybe it's different exploit, I didn't ask for details. or maybe he found it before it was even reported.....

Maybe it was something else then, there was some other php vulnerability pretty recently. Just don't cast aspersions on my web host, who is better than any other host I've ever run across both for features, price, but mostly better for support.