Page 2 - P.S. Does anyone else see the irony here

If you keep posting here when you should be working.... probably

lke shadow said...asp is already obsolete but it's a simple scrpting resource that can allow newbies to undertand BASIC principles of vbs codong, objects, and database connections. Although ASP.NET will probably be the platform to pave the way for the future it's always nice to have somekiind of knowledge BEFORE diivng in to a full fledged compiling application as .Net. Ths can be overwhelmiing and often frustrating w/o having some type of background structure to help understand it's complexties. Although apples and oranges between asp.net/asp...asp is a useful way to learn basics of programming. Also, PHP was technically founded/created BEFORE ASP, so why rewrite thousands of lines of code done iin PHP for a FORUM that only discusses problems w/ various issues such as ASP and alike? Would be rather silly and tedious when it's still allowing you to understand asp and other useful coding even though t's done in php...ii's a moot point and irrelevent to think of the irony of such.

Going back to the forum issue, I think you will find and I maybe miles off the mark here but the people that but this site together looked for the best forum pacakge about which from what i have seen vbulletin has to be it, i don't think it matter what it was written in as long as it did the job and lasted the test of time.

One of the big questions is which language should i learn and the fact of the matter is, this shows it doesn't matter as long as it does what you want, and it is not out dated. You can always change after a while and the bit you learn't will always benefit you in the end

I think maybe one of the reasons behind the proliferation of PHP BB software is the easy-integration of templates with PHP. Templating in str8 ASP is a bit more involved. I'm not sure what .NET has going on as far as extensive templating systems, but PHP's are easy to use, rather lightweight, and fit the bill for BB programs quite nicely.

i'm just guessing here, but doesnt asp work best with ISS ? and doesnt php work better with apache (ok 2.0 is possible exception). and if like 60% of websites use apache as their webserver, then i guess pretty soon php will be the dominant server side script if it is not already ?
no point to this post really, just looking for opinions.
just my 2cents..

there is ASP "emulator" for Apache, but indeed it work best with IIS and Windows, for which it was designed. I doubt you have ASP.NET version for Apache, though...
php is very popular indeed, I estimate about half websites use it as their language.

check this out: Programming Language Usage Stats

and this: PHP growth

Interesting trend.

hi everyone....im new to asp.....and i have borrowed a php book to read up...
Do you think php is much easier to learn than asp?
PHP looks to me like unix coding...or perl i suppose....because i notice the <?
Although i have not much knowledge....bt would like voice out a little too

While this isn't really a cut-and-dry answer:

As someone who has dabbled in both (first ASP then PHP) I think PHP is easier to learn for someone with a c programming background (c++ too). The syntax is very similar and you'll find alot of similarities in logic between the disciplines - alot more straightfoward. Whereas, ASP (not .NET), depending on what scripting flavor you chose (VBscript is the most common), can be a bit harder to get into without some Object Oriented experience.

PHP has nice (getting better everyday) object oriented support and functionality, but also the ability for more novice programmers to build their scripts outside of Object Oriented design; hence, the idea that it is a bit more straightfoward to learn.

IF you want a taste of both languages, I recommend touring the hands-on tutorials at w3schools.

I'm curious what an ASP developer might say to my comments. Anyone out there care to rebuke / confirm / deny my musings?

I work with both ASP and PHP, started with ASP then picked up PHP. My experience is that PHP is much more flexible as a whole package, mainly in part to the open source nature and the number of libraries that are developed and available for it. I picked up PHP very quickly, and I think that was mostly to do with having a good understanding of programming methods in ASP. The beauty is, all the things I wanted to do with ASP are now available to me through PHP.
Now .NET, that's a different story. I've dabbled and played, but for the moment just can't get my head around the whole concept. I need a quiet period from work (like that would ever happen )to sit down and hack it.

Personally, I like both ASP and PHP. I find them both fun to work with and they are both more than powerful enough to build complex websites.

I tried .NET and decided that I didn't like ASP.NET - I found it too restrictive. You do things .NETs way or not at all. Having said that, I found .NET good for winforms development and am looking forward to .NET2, maybe it will change my mind.

Elija

hi EnenDaveyBoy...

could you enlighten me?
whats it meaning?

Around a circle you can always draw a bigger circle

looks like I'm the only one here who's not PHP programmer lol... I just didn't need it so far and as I'm not freelancer I can't see any actual reason to learn PHP for now except for fun - but it would take too much time and effort.
now that I know more about PHP and ASP though, I would probably choose PHP... but with all due respect for open source and simplicity, .NET offers much more.
while I can't "get my head around the whole concept" as Lafinboy said, I have pretty good skills which give me what I need. and I fear that getting the whole concept is not possible - it's like memorizing entire dictionary. simply too much things to remember and understand!!
and the nice thing about .NET, which not many know, is that it's kind of open source - given .NET application or dll file you can de-compile it and get its full source code. this let you de-compile the system dlls themselves, and understand the core logic behind the built-in components, if you like.
bottom line, .NET offer you everything, can't see any reason wh