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The warden and the prisoner.
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This one is killing me..


Here's a classic I'm sure some of you know:

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Three friends walk into a hotel, and agree to share a room. They
split the $30 cost by each paying $10. After they are on their
way to the room, the cashier realizes it's discount day and the
room is only $25. He gives the bellhop $5, in ones, to return to
the members of the room. The bellhop, not knowing how to split
up the money, gives $1 to each of them, and keeps $2 for
himself.

We know that each roommember paid $9, totalling $27, and the
bellhop had the other $2. Where did the extra dollar go?
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The warden and the prisoner.

A prisoner is sentenced to death and the warden wishes to find amusement so he goes to mess with the prisoner's mind. The day is Saturday and he tells the prisoner that he will die some time next week and that he will not be able to deduce which day it was--he also adds as incentive for the self-inflicted torture that the prisoner will be freed if he can deduce and prove which day it will be. He leaves the prisoner to ponder this for the rest of the day. While pondering he comes up with the following.

On Saturday of next week I'd know that I'd be killed on that day so Saturday is therefore ruled out.

On Friday I'd know it'd have to be that day because Saturday is already ruled out and therefore Friday will be ruled out.

On Thursday I'd know because Friday and Saturday are ruled out.

On Wednesday I'd know because Thurs. Fri. and Sat. are ruled out.

On Tues. I'd know ...
On Mon. I'd know ...
Tomorrow I'd know ...

Therefore, I can not be executed next week.
The next morning the Warden visits the prisoner. The prisoner has a smug smile on his face thinking that he had outsmarted the warden. The warden says "last chance, did you prove anything yet?" The prisoner says "Yes! I can't be killed this week because (he explains his logic)" The warden then says he's wrong and he tells him why he was wrong. Then the prisoner is shot.

What was wrong with the prisoner's logic?


<Comment>On Friday I'd know it'd have to be that day because Saturday is already ruled out and therefore Friday will be ruled out.</Comment> How can he rule out Saturday because the present day is Friday and there are chances to be hanged today (Friday) or the next day(Saturday). Like this for all other cases.

Am I on the right track gecko36........

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This one is killing me..


Here's a classic I'm sure some of you know:

*********
Three friends walk into a hotel, and agree to share a room. They
split the $30 cost by each paying $10. After they are on their
way to the room, the cashier realizes it's discount day and the
room is only $25. He gives the bellhop $5, in ones, to return to
the members of the room. The bellhop, not knowing how to split
up the money, gives $1 to each of them, and keeps $2 for
himself.

We know that each roommember paid $9, totalling $27, and the
bellhop had the other $2. Where did the extra dollar go?
*********


There is no extra dollar

Cashier $25
Bellhop $2
Guests $3

This totals $30.

But the prisonner is killing me too
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There is no extra dollar

Cashier $25
Bellhop $2
Guests $3

This totals $30.

But the prisonner is killing me too

etxra dollard ,lol. i remember that one from years ago
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Cool Here'z my riddle...

A 40Kg weight (one they use in balances) was broken into four pieces, such that you can make measurements from 1 to 40kg. If so how much did each piece weigh.

Hint: Suppose you have 3 and 4kg weights you can measure 1kg with the weights in opposite pans.

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A 40Kg weight (one they use in balances) was broken into four pieces, such that you can make measurements from 1 to 40kg. If so how much did each piece weigh.

Hint: Suppose you have 3 and 4kg weights you can measure 1kg with the weights in opposite pans.

Cheers!!!
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now thats intressting.
im not sure if i understand what you saying with the 3 and 4 kg weght.

but this is what im thinking let me know if im on the right track.

1 of the weights has to be 1kg
none of them weight 40kg , 39kg

im sure this is not the right track.
let me know

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now thats intressting.
im not sure if i understand what you saying with the 3 and 4 kg weght.

but this is what im thinking let me know if im on the right track.

1 of the weights has to be 1kg
none of them weight 40kg , 39kg

im sure this is not the right track.
let me know


If two of them are of 3 and 4 Kgs then by placing them on two different sides of the weighing scale you will be able to measure 1 kg by keeping the material on the 3 kg side of the pan. ie; when the scales become equal if one kg material comes on the 3kg side of the pan.
Hope this clears your doubt.

Like that if the weights are of 2, 5 and 6 kgs then you can measure 9 kgs by 6 + 5 - 2.

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<Comment>On Friday I'd know it'd have to be that day because Saturday is already ruled out and therefore Friday will be ruled out.</Comment> How can he rule out Saturday because the present day is Friday and there are chances to be hanged today (Friday) or the next day(Saturday). Like this for all other cases.

Am I on the right track gecko36........

Rajesh Sivaraman.


First a hint... "you won't be able to deduce what day you'll die" translates into, to say the least, "you won't die on Saturday because that's the last possible day to die" Take a calandar and start with Saturday. It's kind of like probability. There, I've said too much.

Right track but here's his logic in probably a more understandable format.
Saturday can't be the day because if he survives until Saturday (i.e. not being killed on subsequent days) through process of elimination that'd be the day.
Friday was eliminated because Saturday was eliminated and Friday was the only day left.
(it doesn't hurt to grant those two!)
Thursday, like Friday, includes two eliminated days and he uses the process of elimination to eliminated Thursday.
Logic builds in that fashion until Sunday and he concludes that it's impossible

Well, with that hint I'll leave another I guess. Seeing as how I'm so kind...

Each day's logical test is seperate. Saturday and Friday have been eliminated. However if you build on Friday's logic for Thursday the probability changes so the logic must change. Not the logic itself (you can use Friday's logic like he did just fine) but the application of the logic (you can't just cancel the next days).

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First a hint... "you won't be able to deduce what day you'll die" translates into, to say the least, "you won't die on Saturday because that's the last possible day to die" Take a calandar and start with Saturday. It's kind of like probability. There, I've said too much.

Right track but here's his logic in probably a more understandable format.
Saturday can't be the day because if he survives until Saturday (i.e. not being killed on subsequent days) through process of elimination that'd be the day.
Friday was eliminated because Saturday was eliminated and Friday was the only day left.
(it doesn't hurt to grant those two!)
Thursday, like Friday, includes two eliminated days and he uses the process of elimination to eliminated Thursday.
Logic builds in that fashion until Sunday and he concludes that it's impossible

Well, with that hint I'll leave another I guess. Seeing as how I'm so kind...

Each day's logical test is seperate. Saturday and Friday have been eliminated. However if you build on Friday's logic for Thursday the probability changes so the logic must change. Not the logic itself (you can use Friday's logic like he did just fine) but the application of the logic (you can't just cancel the next days).

So gecko36 the solutions which I gave is right or wrong...

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So gecko36 the solutions which I gave is right or wrong...

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you asked how can he rule Sat. out. That's okay to do that. IF he survived until Sat. he'd live because it's the last day. Therefore on Fri. he could rule out Fri. because if Sat. is always ruled out, Fri. would be the last day. On Thurs. Fri. can't be ruled out because Fri. was only ruled out because Sat was ruled out. The problem is people are inclined to think ahead of themselves.
(things to pick from) nPr* (total items)
Sat is out! (0/0) 0 = nPr 1
Fri probability is 1 = 1 nPr 1
Thurs probability is 2 = 2 nPr 1
Wed. probability is 3 = 3 nPr 1
Tues. probability is 4 = 4 nPr 1
Mon. probability is 5 = 5 nPr 1
Sun probability is 6 = 6 nPr 1

Or just do n! where n is the days to pick from.

The numbers aren't important, the fact that Thurs. thru Sun. are >1
then it's like programming IF day > 1 Then die

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