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Old January 17th, 2006, 12:56 AM
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Question Designing with frames??!

hi everyone

I see that many sites have a fixed layout and a changing middle content.(like amazon).

what's better? using a frame for the main content or using a diffrent main page for diffrent content with the same includes?


amazon for that matter uses the second approach.
It seems pretty silly to me..
why reload the page completely if u can just reload a main frame and leave the surrounding content intact.

looking forward to your opinions
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Old January 18th, 2006, 09:54 AM
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this is from an earlier post of phoenix's

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Frames are bad because:

a) They cannot properly be bookmarked in existing browsers
b) Search engines only index one "page" and not a frameset. If a page lacks navigation links to other pages then spiders cannot find the other pages
c) For the same reason, when people visit via search engines, they land on the page and not the frameset and they cannot get to the other pages because there aren't any links

As for acheiving the same layout.... DO NOT USE "LAYOUT TABLES"!. If you do you will fall into a downward spiral.

XHTML doesn't specify any presentational, apperance, or "layout" markup. All XHTML is for is to markup the document and its structure. It is with CSS that we apply layout to the structure by telling the browser to apply certain styles to the elements of the XML document. Be it anything from telling it: "this block should go to the side" (like a navbar) or "make this text bold".
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Frames are bad because:

a) They cannot properly be bookmarked in existing browsers
b) Search engines only index one "page" and not a frameset. If a page lacks navigation links to other pages then spiders cannot find the other pages
c) For the same reason, when people visit via search engines, they land on the page and not the frameset and they cannot get to the other pages because there aren't any links

Just for completeness of the answer:
a) Agrees, but see answer c) )
b) Not actually now
c) http://195.2.71.2/test/frames/test.htm
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As for acheiving the same layout.... DO NOT USE "LAYOUT TABLES"!. If you do you will fall into a downward spiral.

XHTML doesn't specify any presentational, apperance, or "layout" markup. All XHTML is for is to markup the document and its structure. It is with CSS that we apply layout to the structure by telling the browser to apply certain styles to the elements of the XML document. Be it anything from telling it: "this block should go to the side" (like a navbar) or "make this text bold".

Agrees!
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Never use frames, stick with CSS
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